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Ransom is not Bible's main teaching: GB
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from the gb's new book: god's kingdom rules, chapter 4:.

"faithful early bible students viewed the ransom arrangement as the bible's main teaching" paragraph 9.. .

"the bible students understood that the primary issue was, not personal salvation, but the sanctifying of god's name.
Doug Mason

prologos,

In answer to your questions: no, the story is neither literal and was never intended to be. Inherited sin is more of an Augustine precept. I usually use the expression: "supernatural superstition". These writers were, after all, Late Iron Age Canaanite hill-dwellers. They were not present at the time of the stories you are referring to.

Now, two for you:

(1) List for me where in the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke) Jesus explicitly states the precepts of ransom, fall and inherited sin.

(2) List for me where in the Synoptic Gosples Jesus explicitly states that salvation is based on faith in his death and resurrection.

Doug
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Ransom is not Bible's main teaching: GB
by pixel in
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from the gb's new book: god's kingdom rules, chapter 4:.

"faithful early bible students viewed the ransom arrangement as the bible's main teaching" paragraph 9.. .

"the bible students understood that the primary issue was, not personal salvation, but the sanctifying of god's name.
Doug Mason

I am not fully across the "Ransom" issues that plagued the early Bible Students, but I believe that Henninges defected over this issue, and I think that the Ransom might have been one issue that caused people to defect from Rutherford. He did make many fundamental changes from CTR's teachings that caused most to leave the WTS during the 1920s.

Did Franz revert to Rusell's teachings? Is the WTS shifting its position again?

Apart from these generalisations and unanswered question, I am unable to comment.

Doug
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The Gentile Times were fulfilled
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24 they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and jerusalem will be trodden down by the gentiles, until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

(luke 21:24).

as i see, a natural reading of this prophecy says that if we see jerusalem, the city, without being trodden down by the gentiles, the times of the gentiles will be fulfilled.
Doug Mason

Was Luke looking at the state of Jerusalem and saying that the Jews would not get control of it until the Gentiles stopped controlling it?

Not that a purely religious Jewish authority has control of it now, nor was the biblical Jerusalem ever capital of Israel. Consider the animal emblem of Jerusalem.

Doug
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The Gentile Times were fulfilled
by opusdei1972 in
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24 they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and jerusalem will be trodden down by the gentiles, until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

(luke 21:24).

as i see, a natural reading of this prophecy says that if we see jerusalem, the city, without being trodden down by the gentiles, the times of the gentiles will be fulfilled.
Doug Mason

How did Luke arrive at his opinion?

To whom was he writing?

What was the ongoing opinion at the time this was written (about 80-100 CE) that he was countering?

Doug
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JW NWT AND OTHER BIBLE TRANSLATIONS ARE FALSE!
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to begin, i'm not trying to stir up any "conspiracy theories" or promote them but with the recent release of the nwt and "world government" convention tracts it's opened up the of door to the so called "conspiracy theories" for many.. so if your the type that's already turned of by the word "conspiracy theory" i suggest you leave this page and please don't comment, for those of us who can use your brain to reason and think, take a look at a couple videos and sites that makes you go hmm... and connect the dots.. the first video actually goes into depth and mentions the many falsehoods of the jw nwt at 13:50 and 1:04:25. for some reason it is not directly linking it is entitled new world order bible versions (full version ) about nine videos down.. .

https://m.youtube.com/results?q=new+world+order&sm=1.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r8c1sc8lljm.
Doug Mason

BackseatDevil,

You are 100% correct.

Doug
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What happens to a women that is not a virgin on her wedding night..
by jam in
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deuteronomy 22;20-22 stone to death.

a little extreme don't.

come on jehovah, what changed your mind??.
Doug Mason

The question to ask is: "Why does the Christian Scriptures include Deuteronomy?"

And its corollary: "Why does the Watchtower accept Christendom's Scriptures?"

Doug
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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?
by Bart Belteshassur in
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i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.
Doug Mason

Hi,

I provide the evidence you seek at:

http://www.jwstudies.com/WTS_support_for_the_Babylonian_king-list.pdf

Doug
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2014 New Release stuff you might want!
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atlantis just rolled this stuff off the scanner and is eating right now, so i wanted to see if anybody wanted this junk.. 2014, what is the kingdom of god?

(tract).

https://www.sendspace.com/file/m3y1tg .
Doug Mason

Atlantis, Petra,

Thank you so much!

Doug
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some thing to consider for bible believers
by Crazyguy in
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the oldest in tact bible found is the codex voronicus, (miss spelled) and the oldest writings ever found were the greek septuagint written by jews in alexandria.

both of these collections of writings included the apocryphal and other writings like chapters and other verses of daniel not included in the jw bible.

so the question one must ask, is if your a bible believer how can you just throw out these writings, because reading these additional writings will change your understanding of what you have learned?.
Doug Mason

Hi,

Pages 22 to 31 of my Study

http://www.jwstudies.com/God-breathed_Scriptures.pdf

list allusions and references in the NT wriitngs to non-canonical Hebrew writings (1 Enoch, Sirach, Wisdom of Solomon, etc., etc.)

(The above page numbers refer to the document's page numbers; the page numbers of the PDF file are 27 to 36)

Doug
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some thing to consider for bible believers
by Crazyguy in
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2. bible
the oldest in tact bible found is the codex voronicus, (miss spelled) and the oldest writings ever found were the greek septuagint written by jews in alexandria.

both of these collections of writings included the apocryphal and other writings like chapters and other verses of daniel not included in the jw bible.

so the question one must ask, is if your a bible believer how can you just throw out these writings, because reading these additional writings will change your understanding of what you have learned?.
Doug Mason

Hi,

My recent Studies:

http://www.jwstudies.com/God-breathed_Scriptures.pdf

http://www.jwstudies.com/Why_Does_WTS_Accept_Christendoms_Scriptures.pdf

http://www.jwstudies.com/We_can_be_sure.pdf

Doug